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No. 3: Caroline Picard, Lindsey Dorr-Niro & Lisa Vinebaum

Documented Dialogues
No. 3:
Caroline Picard, Lindsey Dorr-Niro & Lisa Vinebaum

 

| Documented Dialogues No. 3 > is a conversation between curator Caroline Picard and artists Lindsey Dorr-Niro & Lisa Vinebaum. The conversation takes place at Sector 2337, and investigates the relationships between aesthetic form and historical content, material references and site specificity, and precarious utility and labor production.

What platforms and models might emerge when the strategies of appropriation create reconfiguring conditions?

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Below is an excerpt of this Documented Dialogue, transcribed from the video above:

Caroline Picard: “For some reason, this is like … I don’t know if this is the … I guess this is an intuitive question, but it makes me actually interested in the idea of uselessness, or if that’s a question that is interesting to either of you, and I guess partly I’m thinking about it because it’s like the sign, sort of quotation of the sign, in the window, is not useful as a sign …”

Lindsey Dorr-Niro: “Yeah.”

CP: “... and similarly I feel there’s this sort of moment with the billboard where it is a billboard, but then, like I was talking to this, a friend of mine who’s in advertising and he was saying it’s, it’s, to him he has this very visceral reaction where he’s like “Whoa, we’re going the wrong way” because you’re not actually supposed to see that side of the billboard unless you’re going the wrong way down the street or something, which I thought was interesting. But then I kind of feel like there’s another moment like that where if you enter the project space and you see these two neon signs, they’re sort of opposing one another, but they don’t have the same visibility, or, I remember on Friday when you were talking about some of your performances where it’s like a one woman performance walking through the street, there’s a way where the gesture is both very meaningful and also seems sort of hyper-vulnerable, small, you know, in the face of the really powerful structures. What can one person hope to accomplish with a sandwich board?

Lisa Vinebaum: “Right, yeah. Yeah, it’s a great question. But, speaking, you know, speaking to the back of the billboard …”

CP: “Asking for a friend.”

[Laughter]

LV: ”... Maybe, but, I mean, thinking about the back of the billboard, like I think of all the times that, like, I’m driving on the highway, and I’ve done that trip to Bloomington twice, right …”

LD-R: “Uh-huh, uh-huh.”

LV: “... and seeing like the crazy Jesus billboards and all of that …”

LD-R: “Oh yeah.”

LV: “... but you always see the back of the billboard, you might not be looking at it, but you pass it and it’s there …”

LD-R: “Yeah.”

LV: “... or you see the back of another billboard, you know what I mean? And it think it’s like we, you know what you were saying, what we register, what registers for us or not, and you’re [LD-R] drawing our eye to that which we don’t …”

LD-R: “Yeah.”

LV: “... necessarily notice, right?”

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Caroline Picard is an artist, writer, publisher, and curator who explores the figure in relation to systems of power through on-going investigations of inter-species borders, how the human relates to its environment and what possibilities might emerge from upturning an anthropocentric world view. Her writing has appeared in publications like ArtForum (critics picks), Flash Art International, Hyperallergic, Paper Monument, The Seen, and e-flux’s live blog. In 2014 she was the Curatorial Fellow at La Box, ENSA in France, and became a member of the SYNAPSE International Curators’ Network of the Haus der Kulturen der Welt in Berlin in 2015. She is the Executive Director of The Green Lantern Press—a nonprofit publishing house and art producer in operation since 2005—and Co-Director of Sector 2337, a hybrid artspace/bar/bookstore in Chicago. www.sector2337.com.

Lindsey Dorr-Niro is an artist and educator currently living and working in Chicago, Illinois. She holds her MFA from The Yale School of Art and BFA from The University of Wisconsin-Madison. 

Dr. Lisa Vinebaum is an interdisciplinary artist, critical writer, and educator. She holds a PhD in Art from Goldsmiths, University of London (UK); an MA in Textiles also from Goldsmiths, and a BFA from Concordia University in Montreal. She is an Assistant Professor in the department of Fiber and Material Studies at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago, and Associate Editor of Textile: The Journal of Cloth and Culture (Routledge/Taylor and Francis). Current research and artistic investigations explore labor, performance and collectivity in the larger context of economic globalization and cutbacks to workers’ rights. She also writes about the social histories of textiles and their connections to contemporary fiber and socially engaged art.

 

 
 
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YouTube's auto-transcription of the conversation - which, for some unexplained reason, is in Spanish - is quite poetic. Translated to English by Google:

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